Comments on: critique: L St. and San Joaquin Ave. http://archop.org/2009/06/l-st-and-san-joaquin-ave/ improving the built environment in the san joaquin valley Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:43:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: kiel http://archop.org/2009/06/l-st-and-san-joaquin-ave/comment-page-1/#comment-2575 kiel Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:02:05 +0000 http://archop.org/?p=589#comment-2575 James, Stucco (or cement plaster as it's called in the biz) is a valid material to use. It has its strengths and weaknesses like any material. But if it used as default with out any real reason, that is the danger. For large flat surfaces I feel panelized materials like sheet metal make more sense. I like seeing stucco on curved surfaces like the Woodward Park Library, or when thought is put into the texture. Your other question easy. I'd say there are more than enough people willing to invest in innovative urban design. Unfortunately, they maybe willing but not able. We have a desperately low amount of capital and resources in the San Joaquin Valley. That shows in allot of our buildings. James,
Stucco (or cement plaster as it’s called in the biz) is a valid material to use. It has its strengths and weaknesses like any material. But if it used as default with out any real reason, that is the danger. For large flat surfaces I feel panelized materials like sheet metal make more sense. I like seeing stucco on curved surfaces like the Woodward Park Library, or when thought is put into the texture.
Your other question easy. I’d say there are more than enough people willing to invest in innovative urban design. Unfortunately, they maybe willing but not able. We have a desperately low amount of capital and resources in the San Joaquin Valley. That shows in allot of our buildings.

]]> By: james http://archop.org/2009/06/l-st-and-san-joaquin-ave/comment-page-1/#comment-2542 james Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:19:58 +0000 http://archop.org/?p=589#comment-2542 I'm not an advocate for stucco, in fact I've criticized Fresno for being over-saturated with it, but I have to ask: how is design defined? I mean, at one point, wasn't wood siding and interior paneling the norm? Does the community overall have enough people willing to invest in properties that are outside the urbanized norm? I’m not an advocate for stucco, in fact I’ve criticized Fresno for being over-saturated with it, but I have to ask: how is design defined? I mean, at one point, wasn’t wood siding and interior paneling the norm?
Does the community overall have enough people willing to invest in properties that are outside the urbanized norm?

]]> By: Dani http://archop.org/2009/06/l-st-and-san-joaquin-ave/comment-page-1/#comment-2528 Dani Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:31:26 +0000 http://archop.org/?p=589#comment-2528 Agreed. Let's see some modern design--the juxtaposition between the actual arts/crafts and Italiante buildings in the area and a new, innovative facade would be stunning. This is the beginning of the suburbanization of downtown. With the stucco comes Starbucks...embrace your gritty, warehouse-laden self, downtown! Agreed. Let’s see some modern design–the juxtaposition between the actual arts/crafts and Italiante buildings in the area and a new, innovative facade would be stunning. This is the beginning of the suburbanization of downtown. With the stucco comes Starbucks…embrace your gritty, warehouse-laden self, downtown!

]]> By: floydy http://archop.org/2009/06/l-st-and-san-joaquin-ave/comment-page-1/#comment-2490 floydy Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:41:09 +0000 http://archop.org/?p=589#comment-2490 throwing up tract home apartment complexes mitigates the potential that exists downtown to differentiate from every other part of town that is saturated with that garbage. good design and "stucco" are synonyms to these people and as far as legacy is concerned that's very dangerous in the long term. throwing up tract home apartment complexes mitigates the potential that exists downtown to differentiate from every other part of town that is saturated with that garbage.

good design and “stucco” are synonyms to these people and as far as legacy is concerned that’s very dangerous in the long term.

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