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	<title>Comments on: Critique: Tower District Streetscape Design Charrette</title>
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		<title>By: Crisco</title>
		<link>http://archop.org/2009/07/critique-tower-charrette/comment-page-1/#comment-3333</link>
		<dc:creator>Crisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big critique:  the REAL reason for the &quot;streetscape plan&quot; kind of slipped in there at the end of the Tower District Streetscape Design Charrette Tuesday, 28 July 2009:  the sewer system running beneath Olive will be replaced! My experience running charrettes and similar public involvement during my years in grad school and my professional internships as an Urban Planner, as well as basic Professional Planning Ethics suggest that this little detail probably should have been disclosed at the very beginning of this process. My professional experience in stormwater, sewer systems, in the business offices of city/county governments, as a regulatory agent in another state &amp; region of the country, and as a planner working in transportation here in my hometown of Fresberg, leads me to suspect that this Sewer system replacement (upgrade?) along Olive Avenue could be one hell of a rough ride for our beloved Tower District. I hope I am completely wrong, but I worry that what the Tower Community will be left with is a mess, with mere tokens from the City of Fresno and its profit-focused contractors when it&#039;s all said and done. Other bloggers asked why it is that Olive was chosen for this Streetscape Plan (or is it Sewer work - maybe I&#039;m confused...)? Based on my experience as a contractor for the electrical utilities, it may be as simple as this: dealing with the &quot;power poles&quot; that run along Belmont would require the City and their Sewer Contractor(s) to coordinate with electrical and various telecommunications corporations that &quot;own&quot; these lines - a very convoluted process at best... Olive is an attractive option to replace/upgrade the sewer system in this part of the city because of something it is missing: power lines do not run along Olive within the heart of the Tower... How this was missed in the Streetscape Design process may not be nefarious at all: few understand how utilities like electrical and sewerage systems function, and usually less about how they dictate community design. Ideally, it takes all of the ekistic arts (interior design, architecture, engineering, landscape and planning) working together - informed directly and organically by the community they serve - to develop comprehensive alternatives in infrastructure plans that ultimately enhance its intrinsic value. Do I think the Streetscape Design process could do this? Possibly... except for that nagging little detail about the REAL Big project coming to a Tower District near and dear to its Community at large... pun intended ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big critique:  the REAL reason for the &#8220;streetscape plan&#8221; kind of slipped in there at the end of the Tower District Streetscape Design Charrette Tuesday, 28 July 2009:  the sewer system running beneath Olive will be replaced! My experience running charrettes and similar public involvement during my years in grad school and my professional internships as an Urban Planner, as well as basic Professional Planning Ethics suggest that this little detail probably should have been disclosed at the very beginning of this process. My professional experience in stormwater, sewer systems, in the business offices of city/county governments, as a regulatory agent in another state &amp; region of the country, and as a planner working in transportation here in my hometown of Fresberg, leads me to suspect that this Sewer system replacement (upgrade?) along Olive Avenue could be one hell of a rough ride for our beloved Tower District. I hope I am completely wrong, but I worry that what the Tower Community will be left with is a mess, with mere tokens from the City of Fresno and its profit-focused contractors when it&#8217;s all said and done. Other bloggers asked why it is that Olive was chosen for this Streetscape Plan (or is it Sewer work &#8211; maybe I&#8217;m confused&#8230;)? Based on my experience as a contractor for the electrical utilities, it may be as simple as this: dealing with the &#8220;power poles&#8221; that run along Belmont would require the City and their Sewer Contractor(s) to coordinate with electrical and various telecommunications corporations that &#8220;own&#8221; these lines &#8211; a very convoluted process at best&#8230; Olive is an attractive option to replace/upgrade the sewer system in this part of the city because of something it is missing: power lines do not run along Olive within the heart of the Tower&#8230; How this was missed in the Streetscape Design process may not be nefarious at all: few understand how utilities like electrical and sewerage systems function, and usually less about how they dictate community design. Ideally, it takes all of the ekistic arts (interior design, architecture, engineering, landscape and planning) working together &#8211; informed directly and organically by the community they serve &#8211; to develop comprehensive alternatives in infrastructure plans that ultimately enhance its intrinsic value. Do I think the Streetscape Design process could do this? Possibly&#8230; except for that nagging little detail about the REAL Big project coming to a Tower District near and dear to its Community at large&#8230; pun intended ; )</p>
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		<title>By: Arnie Kriegbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnie Kriegbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in Reedley, so I comment only as a nearly daily Fresno visitor and not as a resident. My comment is to applaud the high level of interest in this whole process. Many people were at the meeting - GOOD! Many comments and concerns about the process of change - GOOD! What I see is a lot of people that care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in Reedley, so I comment only as a nearly daily Fresno visitor and not as a resident. My comment is to applaud the high level of interest in this whole process. Many people were at the meeting &#8211; GOOD! Many comments and concerns about the process of change &#8211; GOOD! What I see is a lot of people that care.</p>
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		<title>By: fresnobeehive.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;WTF or FTW: Roundabouts in the Tower District...&lt;/strong&gt;

 Tower District resident and business owners have begun gathering this week to discuss a new streetscape plan for the beloved Fresno neighborhood. The first meeting was held on Saturday and is critiqued nicely at ArcHop. A second meeting was......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>WTF or FTW: Roundabouts in the Tower District&#8230;</strong></p>
<p> Tower District resident and business owners have begun gathering this week to discuss a new streetscape plan for the beloved Fresno neighborhood. The first meeting was held on Saturday and is critiqued nicely at ArcHop. A second meeting was&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://archop.org/2009/07/critique-tower-charrette/comment-page-1/#comment-3319</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there and I agree that  the process was bogged down more than a bit by lax management of redundancies in reporting table output.  

Regarding the overall process, though, I disagree with your assumption that the outcomes would have been better or even different if there were more emphasis on the participants as designers as opposed to allowing the experts to frame and guide the process. After all, they are the experts. At my table,  there were 3 older folks and 3 (much) younger ones.  While we were all enthusiastically involved in the process, it was clear from the outset that none of us had the expertise to have applied enough intense, critical pre-study of the existing target area to have been able to effectively &quot;re-design&quot;  the streetscape.  In fact, even with guidance, some of us had trouble with the parameters of the task.  The tight structure, however, helped us to navigate through the process.

With regard to the consultants coming to the table with their own ideas.  Why not?  They are familiar with the Tower, and I assume (in accordance with their duties as consultants) that they have studied it with some intensity. It would be difficult, I think, to filter out their experiences, training and expertise in design when actually leading a design task.

So, while I agree with much of your criticism, I don&#039;t believe that the tight structure or the level of community participation was a hindrance to the overall process.  And, while I think the consultants may very well come tonight with plans that incorporate some pre-determined ideas, I don&#039;t necessarily view that in a negative way as long as everyone agrees that the ideas work well and represent what we want.


Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there and I agree that  the process was bogged down more than a bit by lax management of redundancies in reporting table output.  </p>
<p>Regarding the overall process, though, I disagree with your assumption that the outcomes would have been better or even different if there were more emphasis on the participants as designers as opposed to allowing the experts to frame and guide the process. After all, they are the experts. At my table,  there were 3 older folks and 3 (much) younger ones.  While we were all enthusiastically involved in the process, it was clear from the outset that none of us had the expertise to have applied enough intense, critical pre-study of the existing target area to have been able to effectively &#8220;re-design&#8221;  the streetscape.  In fact, even with guidance, some of us had trouble with the parameters of the task.  The tight structure, however, helped us to navigate through the process.</p>
<p>With regard to the consultants coming to the table with their own ideas.  Why not?  They are familiar with the Tower, and I assume (in accordance with their duties as consultants) that they have studied it with some intensity. It would be difficult, I think, to filter out their experiences, training and expertise in design when actually leading a design task.</p>
<p>So, while I agree with much of your criticism, I don&#8217;t believe that the tight structure or the level of community participation was a hindrance to the overall process.  And, while I think the consultants may very well come tonight with plans that incorporate some pre-determined ideas, I don&#8217;t necessarily view that in a negative way as long as everyone agrees that the ideas work well and represent what we want.</p>
<p>Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://archop.org/2009/07/critique-tower-charrette/comment-page-1/#comment-3318</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiel-

Thanks for all the work you do keeping our community focused on design.  I see your name everywhere and know you are putting in a lot of unpaid hours for the common good.

I am one of the &quot;usual suspects&quot; you mentioned.  I have been to countless hours of similar meetings over the past 20 years.   I&#039;m not complaining per se- I love the neighborhood like a family member, and it&#039;s great to see people engage and get excited.  Occasionally, something even gets done.

I attended the charrette on Saturday and share your concerns regarding community input-  particularly that the time between meetings seems to indicate the designs were done before the charrette.  I will make a cynical prediction that when the options are presented, there will be one overwhelming winner and two that are weak.  We vote and bingo, instant community agreement.  I still think it&#039;s great if it&#039;s a step that leads to real improvement of the neighborhood.  Also, the Steele group seems to be a pretty experienced design team.  Chances are the design will be cool anyway. 

 How much are they being paid?

In any case, I think the number of people who showed up, and the countless others who post and follow on sites like this one, give us all something to be proud of and optimistic about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiel-</p>
<p>Thanks for all the work you do keeping our community focused on design.  I see your name everywhere and know you are putting in a lot of unpaid hours for the common good.</p>
<p>I am one of the &#8220;usual suspects&#8221; you mentioned.  I have been to countless hours of similar meetings over the past 20 years.   I&#8217;m not complaining per se- I love the neighborhood like a family member, and it&#8217;s great to see people engage and get excited.  Occasionally, something even gets done.</p>
<p>I attended the charrette on Saturday and share your concerns regarding community input-  particularly that the time between meetings seems to indicate the designs were done before the charrette.  I will make a cynical prediction that when the options are presented, there will be one overwhelming winner and two that are weak.  We vote and bingo, instant community agreement.  I still think it&#8217;s great if it&#8217;s a step that leads to real improvement of the neighborhood.  Also, the Steele group seems to be a pretty experienced design team.  Chances are the design will be cool anyway. </p>
<p> How much are they being paid?</p>
<p>In any case, I think the number of people who showed up, and the countless others who post and follow on sites like this one, give us all something to be proud of and optimistic about.</p>
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		<title>By: kiel</title>
		<link>http://archop.org/2009/07/critique-tower-charrette/comment-page-1/#comment-3317</link>
		<dc:creator>kiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, To play devil&#039;s advocate on your devil&#039;s advocate: Why redesign, rip up and disturb business where there is already activity? Why not improve Olive west of Echo? Fulton south of Alhambra or Dennent has good bones but needs investment. 

The main core of Tower will go on esisting as is. But by extending that vibrancy, more businesses will locate in Tower, existing businesses will improve. Tower then could have a stronger connection/entry from major corridors like Palm and Blackstone.

Belmont is in need of major attention. Maybe archop park and the City&#039;s new focus on the Lowell neighborhood can meet that need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, To play devil&#8217;s advocate on your devil&#8217;s advocate: Why redesign, rip up and disturb business where there is already activity? Why not improve Olive west of Echo? Fulton south of Alhambra or Dennent has good bones but needs investment. </p>
<p>The main core of Tower will go on esisting as is. But by extending that vibrancy, more businesses will locate in Tower, existing businesses will improve. Tower then could have a stronger connection/entry from major corridors like Palm and Blackstone.</p>
<p>Belmont is in need of major attention. Maybe archop park and the City&#8217;s new focus on the Lowell neighborhood can meet that need.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Parks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Parks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K: great question. To play devil&#039;s advocate, how about this for an answer: because Olive Ave. is the street people USE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K: great question. To play devil&#8217;s advocate, how about this for an answer: because Olive Ave. is the street people USE?</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to redo a street that needs redoing, why aren&#039;t you looking at Belmont Ave, halfway between Downtown and the Tower?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to redo a street that needs redoing, why aren&#8217;t you looking at Belmont Ave, halfway between Downtown and the Tower?</p>
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		<title>By: flo</title>
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		<dc:creator>flo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good food for thought....i agree with you that the tower pop. was not well represented, especially from the latino community. a bilingual invite, or possibly a spanish speaking session should have been administered. possibly a separate one for the youth/teens as well, so it would empower them to help take care of the neighborhood. i have mixed feelings about the architect, and i thought they were good facilitators...but like kiel, i think this whole process could have been a lot more efficient and effective with a LOCAL architect. it is obvious they are trying to do too much in two sessions, whereas a local architect could have not only organized, but also participated in more community meetings and be more accessible if they were based/present in the community!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good food for thought&#8230;.i agree with you that the tower pop. was not well represented, especially from the latino community. a bilingual invite, or possibly a spanish speaking session should have been administered. possibly a separate one for the youth/teens as well, so it would empower them to help take care of the neighborhood. i have mixed feelings about the architect, and i thought they were good facilitators&#8230;but like kiel, i think this whole process could have been a lot more efficient and effective with a LOCAL architect. it is obvious they are trying to do too much in two sessions, whereas a local architect could have not only organized, but also participated in more community meetings and be more accessible if they were based/present in the community!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Parks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Parks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzanne - bike racks and community art were two of the most mentioned elements last Saturday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne &#8211; bike racks and community art were two of the most mentioned elements last Saturday.</p>
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