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	<title>Comments on: Tower District Streetscape meeting #3 recap</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Waterhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Waterhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based upon the Mayor&#039;s budget update to City Council this morning, I&#039;d have to say that this project will be shelved indefinitely. I can&#039;t see how the Council can justify spending money on this when they&#039;re facing a %27-plus million dollar deficit in June.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based upon the Mayor&#8217;s budget update to City Council this morning, I&#8217;d have to say that this project will be shelved indefinitely. I can&#8217;t see how the Council can justify spending money on this when they&#8217;re facing a %27-plus million dollar deficit in June.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Waterhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Waterhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s going to be a lot of opposition from the business owners along Fulton, to possibly losing parking spaces as the Tower lacks a sufficient supply. In addition, it looks like the little plaza next to 1105 N Fulton is not part of this plan--the gay community wanted to place flag poles and street furniture there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s going to be a lot of opposition from the business owners along Fulton, to possibly losing parking spaces as the Tower lacks a sufficient supply. In addition, it looks like the little plaza next to 1105 N Fulton is not part of this plan&#8211;the gay community wanted to place flag poles and street furniture there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxrolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaxrolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the different styles of Bike racks. Very Cool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the different styles of Bike racks. Very Cool!</p>
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		<title>By: Tamara LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamara LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The meeting was rushed.  The people at my table also rushed by the process.  

Would like to see a tentative Design Budget reflecting exactly what dollar amount should go to the &quot;Art&quot;  and &quot;Cultural&quot; aspect of Tower for the public; not allocated to curb, traffic and walks right of way improvements.. A portion should be set aside for this purpose and be guaranteed. 

It is not too early in the process to give the public the figures. 

Public Art Grants, recycled product grants, state water efficient grants for waterwise component equipment can all start to be considered now. including urban tree grants.

We actually came hoping to see a Master Plan .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The meeting was rushed.  The people at my table also rushed by the process.  </p>
<p>Would like to see a tentative Design Budget reflecting exactly what dollar amount should go to the &#8220;Art&#8221;  and &#8220;Cultural&#8221; aspect of Tower for the public; not allocated to curb, traffic and walks right of way improvements.. A portion should be set aside for this purpose and be guaranteed. </p>
<p>It is not too early in the process to give the public the figures. </p>
<p>Public Art Grants, recycled product grants, state water efficient grants for waterwise component equipment can all start to be considered now. including urban tree grants.</p>
<p>We actually came hoping to see a Master Plan .</p>
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		<title>By: flo cheung jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>flo cheung jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am curious as to what exactly is the historic style of the tower district?  don&#039;t get me wrong, i am a huge historic preservationist (worked/volunteered in national trusts/reason i wanted to be an architect and studied in europe), but to be honest, i am not sure what it is in our neighborhood.  is it the art deco style of the tower theater?  the rest of tower is kind of a hodge podge of other types of architecture, so i worry we limit our design sensibilities when we try too hard to be &quot;historic&quot;.  i have lived in the uk and traveled a bit in europe, and i am used to walking in hundreds and hundreds of year old towns and cities with contemporary transportation shelters and stations (london&#039;s jubilee line).  but of course i want something that blends well with the area, but i think it is difficult to get something historically accurate to the neighborhood when we never had a bus shelter there to begin with.  so i would prioritize having good artistic and functional design, possibly integrating green technology, over historic accurateness, that does not look cheap and deter vandalism.  but that is just my twopence...

but i think you have legitimate concerns about shelter being adaptable to climate conditions, so i just spoke to the architect at my office, richard andersen, who did the bus station and shelters at machester mall on blackstone.  he used steel tubing, and said it was most important to get a deep canopy to create decent shade.  he said we can spec the canopy to shift according to the pattern of the sun on each site.  he said the hardest problem he had with his design was dealing with vandalism.  the lexan he used to screen wind was frequently melted by cigarette butts, while the custom glass curvature of one of the walls were intentionally broken several times.  the city did not maintain the design, because their solution to all repairs is to add more steel bars.  also, he placed bus info higher at the top to prevent further vandalism.  

but yeah you are right, we can&#039;t really do anything until we get a budget!  lol!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am curious as to what exactly is the historic style of the tower district?  don&#8217;t get me wrong, i am a huge historic preservationist (worked/volunteered in national trusts/reason i wanted to be an architect and studied in europe), but to be honest, i am not sure what it is in our neighborhood.  is it the art deco style of the tower theater?  the rest of tower is kind of a hodge podge of other types of architecture, so i worry we limit our design sensibilities when we try too hard to be &#8220;historic&#8221;.  i have lived in the uk and traveled a bit in europe, and i am used to walking in hundreds and hundreds of year old towns and cities with contemporary transportation shelters and stations (london&#8217;s jubilee line).  but of course i want something that blends well with the area, but i think it is difficult to get something historically accurate to the neighborhood when we never had a bus shelter there to begin with.  so i would prioritize having good artistic and functional design, possibly integrating green technology, over historic accurateness, that does not look cheap and deter vandalism.  but that is just my twopence&#8230;</p>
<p>but i think you have legitimate concerns about shelter being adaptable to climate conditions, so i just spoke to the architect at my office, richard andersen, who did the bus station and shelters at machester mall on blackstone.  he used steel tubing, and said it was most important to get a deep canopy to create decent shade.  he said we can spec the canopy to shift according to the pattern of the sun on each site.  he said the hardest problem he had with his design was dealing with vandalism.  the lexan he used to screen wind was frequently melted by cigarette butts, while the custom glass curvature of one of the walls were intentionally broken several times.  the city did not maintain the design, because their solution to all repairs is to add more steel bars.  also, he placed bus info higher at the top to prevent further vandalism.  </p>
<p>but yeah you are right, we can&#8217;t really do anything until we get a budget!  lol!!</p>
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		<title>By: kiel</title>
		<link>http://archop.org/2009/09/tower-district-streetscape-3-recap/comment-page-1/#comment-3520</link>
		<dc:creator>kiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flo, 
I think a major challenge to a prefabricated bus shelter is how it adapts to different climate conditions and how it fits within the authenticity of the Tower District. 

Climate wise, Fresno has some unique conditions. Additionally the conditions of the two locations Bill mentioned are different. In front of Dollar Tree the buss stop faces south with full sun exposure. The stop next to Dragons Treasure faces East and is shielded from afternoon sun by the building. Both sites would have to consider rain. But again the prevailing wind would create different conditions at each site.

I&#039;d say we should inquire what the budjet might be for the bus stops and go from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flo,<br />
I think a major challenge to a prefabricated bus shelter is how it adapts to different climate conditions and how it fits within the authenticity of the Tower District. </p>
<p>Climate wise, Fresno has some unique conditions. Additionally the conditions of the two locations Bill mentioned are different. In front of Dollar Tree the buss stop faces south with full sun exposure. The stop next to Dragons Treasure faces East and is shielded from afternoon sun by the building. Both sites would have to consider rain. But again the prevailing wind would create different conditions at each site.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say we should inquire what the budjet might be for the bus stops and go from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://archop.org/2009/09/tower-district-streetscape-3-recap/comment-page-1/#comment-3519</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the write up.  I&#039;m really missing out on these meetings.

The only way to go, is pro fresno.

They way those people are grasping at this shining light in the Tower district says a lot.....allot.....alot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the write up.  I&#8217;m really missing out on these meetings.</p>
<p>The only way to go, is pro fresno.</p>
<p>They way those people are grasping at this shining light in the Tower district says a lot&#8230;..allot&#8230;..alot</p>
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		<title>By: flo cheung jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>flo cheung jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it would be awesome to have a design competition, but now that i think of it, i unfortunately don&#039;t see logistically how we could accomplish a completely custom designed bus shelter within the time frame do design, detail, fabricate and install (and this is without even considering the budget constraints).  so i think what we should consider is getting a pre-fab bus shelter (example http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.readexpress.com/read_freeride/photos/2007-11-29-bus_shelter.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.expressnightout.com/content/2007/11/dc_introduces_new_bus_shelter_design_to.php&amp;usg=__h7W2k-NL-bBVwcJHq8U7nd7k_eo=&amp;h=235&amp;w=300&amp;sz=14&amp;hl=en&amp;start=5&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=mUgp7m0dey2nlM:&amp;tbnh=91&amp;tbnw=116&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbus%2Bshelter%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1) that have the following key components (identified from the meeting): 1)seating (ADA compliant), 2) shade and 3)kiosk to display bus info/times/advertise theater and gallery events.  but i propose that we customize the pre-fab to make it unique to the tower.  we could paint it with a custom color scheme, add neon lights (possibly powered by solar panels like the ones at fresno state)(or any other light installation design), and add appropriate font text and signs (to match the tower street signs).  maybe we could hire an ironmonger and detail it...i would love to integrate the tower theater light sculpture somewhere into it?  we could still host a competition, and require artists to all use the same shelter as a template (so it looks like chicago&#039;s cow parade) and make it different.  then if we have these proposals and figure out the contacts/costs, we should give them to clifton, johnson, kuebler and also steele/diego to legitimately consider our design?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it would be awesome to have a design competition, but now that i think of it, i unfortunately don&#8217;t see logistically how we could accomplish a completely custom designed bus shelter within the time frame do design, detail, fabricate and install (and this is without even considering the budget constraints).  so i think what we should consider is getting a pre-fab bus shelter (example <a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.readexpress.com/read_freeride/photos/2007-11-29-bus_shelter.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.expressnightout.com/content/2007/11/dc_introduces_new_bus_shelter_design_to.php&amp;usg=__h7W2k-NL-bBVwcJHq8U7nd7k_eo=&amp;h=235&amp;w=300&amp;sz=14&amp;hl=en&amp;start=5&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=mUgp7m0dey2nlM:&amp;tbnh=91&amp;tbnw=116&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbus%2Bshelter%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1)" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http_//www.readexpress.com/read_freeride/photos/2007-11-29-bus_shelter.jpg_amp_imgrefurl=http_//www.expressnightout.com/content/2007/11/dc_introduces_new_bus_shelter_design_to.php_amp_usg=_h7W2k-NL-bBVwcJHq8U7nd7k_eo=_amp_h=235_amp_w=300_amp_sz=14_amp_hl=en_amp_start=5_amp_um=1_amp_tbnid=mUgp7m0dey2nlM_amp_tbnh=91_amp_tbnw=116_amp_prev=/images_3Fq_3Dbus_2Bshelter_26hl_3Den_26client_3Dfirefox-a_26rls_3Dorg.mozilla_en-US_official_26sa_3DX_26um_3D1&amp;referer=');">http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.readexpress.com/read_freeride/photos/2007-11-29-bus_shelter.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.expressnightout.com/content/2007/11/dc_introduces_new_bus_shelter_design_to.php&amp;usg=__h7W2k-NL-bBVwcJHq8U7nd7k_eo=&amp;h=235&amp;w=300&amp;sz=14&amp;hl=en&amp;start=5&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=mUgp7m0dey2nlM:&amp;tbnh=91&amp;tbnw=116&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbus%2Bshelter%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1)</a> that have the following key components (identified from the meeting): 1)seating (ADA compliant), 2) shade and 3)kiosk to display bus info/times/advertise theater and gallery events.  but i propose that we customize the pre-fab to make it unique to the tower.  we could paint it with a custom color scheme, add neon lights (possibly powered by solar panels like the ones at fresno state)(or any other light installation design), and add appropriate font text and signs (to match the tower street signs).  maybe we could hire an ironmonger and detail it&#8230;i would love to integrate the tower theater light sculpture somewhere into it?  we could still host a competition, and require artists to all use the same shelter as a template (so it looks like chicago&#8217;s cow parade) and make it different.  then if we have these proposals and figure out the contacts/costs, we should give them to clifton, johnson, kuebler and also steele/diego to legitimately consider our design?</p>
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		<title>By: kiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flo,
I bet there will be one more community meeting. The whole Tower District Design Review Committee has not been involved, but the Design Review chair Mike Clifton is on the committee Bill mentions as well as Chris Johnson. 

While I don&#039;t think Bill is making the decisions, I think he has had much more access and input than anyone else. 

I like your idea about being proactive. I&#039;ve thought a lot about bus shelter design. That is something I&#039;d like to contribute. Something that we design would surely be better than a prefabricated that is selected and installed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flo,<br />
I bet there will be one more community meeting. The whole Tower District Design Review Committee has not been involved, but the Design Review chair Mike Clifton is on the committee Bill mentions as well as Chris Johnson. </p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t think Bill is making the decisions, I think he has had much more access and input than anyone else. </p>
<p>I like your idea about being proactive. I&#8217;ve thought a lot about bus shelter design. That is something I&#8217;d like to contribute. Something that we design would surely be better than a prefabricated that is selected and installed.</p>
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		<title>By: flo cheung jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>flo cheung jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so does that mean the design process with the community is over?  is the tower design committee involved in this process?  ultimately is bill kuebler going to be the one finalizing the decisions on the street furnishings?  perhaps we should be more proactive, and put together some artists proposals for benches and kiosks?  there are plenty of us in the architecture, artists and design business on this list, or ask the 5 tower architects in the area, to collaborate and put together a pack of products we like and tell the steele group to look into them.  they want to start works in january, and i feel we need to submit our proposals asap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so does that mean the design process with the community is over?  is the tower design committee involved in this process?  ultimately is bill kuebler going to be the one finalizing the decisions on the street furnishings?  perhaps we should be more proactive, and put together some artists proposals for benches and kiosks?  there are plenty of us in the architecture, artists and design business on this list, or ask the 5 tower architects in the area, to collaborate and put together a pack of products we like and tell the steele group to look into them.  they want to start works in january, and i feel we need to submit our proposals asap!</p>
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